Basic Questions. Basic Answers., Yeh.

[~Diego~]

Lets start with the basic concepts on TRIGLAV:

Experience: this goes up everytime you kill a monster. This stats makes you able to use the bonuses on high lvl items.

Kills: Same crap than experience, but this ones, are more hard to get, because they only counts as 1 everytime you kill one monster.

Gold: Obvious.

Stats:

There are 4 stats base on the game, depending of them, you'll be able to reach higher floors or maybe not.

The way to gain better stats is combining the items, you can combine Cursed items with normal items, cursed with rares, rares with normal, or all in.

The 4 stats base are:

Strenght: With this, you can increase your character AD[ Atack Damage ] power, means that you will hit harder on monsters, making them easier/harder [ depending on your charater stats ] to kill and be able to do it in short/long period of time .-. , [ depending on your character stats too ].
The Atack~Damage increases too by the weapons and +damage equipements you use, depending on the equipements, you can get a high or low AD.
Normaly, i use High AD combined with atack speed [ AS ], it owns, defence doesnt matter because the high AD makes you kill faster, and you dont recieve high amounts of damage while you kill the monsters.
Also, you can combine high damage with Range or Hits Absorb Vitality [ HAV% ].

Defense: With this, you can low the damage you recieve from monsters.
I normaly use a Vit/Def combination with my characters, when you have a def/vit balance you dont require of high amounts of defence, for example:

DEF 45 and VIT 220;

Makes you able to recieve more hits before start recovering your Life.

Dexterity: With this, you can low the enemy's defence, that means they will get more damage from you.
AD + AS + DEX = pure epic win.

Vitality: This is important for almost every build, of course, makes you able to deal with monsters damage.
Normaly, it isnt hard to get vit on your character, almost every good gear on the game gives vit, and you can choose Vit Base potions too.
Soo, if you feel good with the amount of vit you have. keep it, or do whatever you want.

Also think about how you choose the Base Potions you find in the Game quests, stats ever change, soo, dont screw your character.

Atack Speed: how much faster atacks your character.

Atack Range: Makes you able to atack without geting close [ depens about how much you have of course. ].

Walk Speed: How fast you move.

Special Ability Delay: Oh well, means how much you have to wait to cast the Special Ability of the kind of character you use. [ there is a way to reduce the complete Delay on your character, ill explain it on nexts posts [ maybe :3 ] ._.;].


The most important thing is:

FIND A WAY TO HANDLE YOUR CHARACTER.

The items and build isnt everything, its pretty much important to know how to play, people with sexy gears can die easy too.


Gears: they contain stats normaly.

There is a kind named " Rare Items " and " Artifacts ".

Rares: this kind of items, have special stats, but wait, most of the times they have requeriments too, like things based on Experience or Kills.

Artifacts: the same Blah that Rare ones. The only diference is that you can only get them from some especific monster or Npc [ the monkey ].

Cursed Items: they're the crappy items on the game, they have penalizations on their stats by nature, sometimes, they have some good stats, soo use them if you can cover the stats you're lossing its ok. Example: Ring of Nosferatu: STR +35 DEF -4 or XXX dont remember the stats too well, Blah.

Bonused Items: They have good stats only, but they arent rare items, for example the Scrammascax of porevit, AD 10~20 and DEX +6.



Well, thats all i got for now e.e; See ya all :3

oh and yea, ill update laterz <3.

Please read and give opinions, and correct me if im wrong too.

[~Diego~]

So um, Yeah, here we go again.

My characters classes concepts:

Daggermaster: awesome, powerfull, weak at the same time if you dont know how to handle it, based on str or dex is pretty awesome. Works very good with No Delay and AS type characters. Fast killing. Hard to build up.

Swordmasters: hax, Balanced Atack and defense, works really well with AS+HAV% equipements, or No Delay. The Stronger type Swordmasters works pretty well to, and you need to know how to handle them a little. Is great for starting characters, because his build up and other things are balanced. Medium Killing.

Axemasters: Powerfull, based on AD+VIT+HAV%, with some defense, the easiest character to build up and handle, No Delay axes are wayyy to strong, you can kill he 49F bosses with 3~4 hits with your SA being No Delay. Slow Killing.


Hunting places:

Well, i preffer some places to hunt, because they work pretty well dropping things, rare's and not rare's. I like:

Underworld: its totally good for starting players, you get there Bananas and rare nooby stuff, also, you can get Noobies No Delay stuff there, Like Boots of concentration, Psychic Warrior, Dagger of Speed, Evilfang, etc.

Grassland: Orc's Part and Hydra's ones drops good stuff, also Forgotten Cave drops good stuff too . Takes some kills to get a rare items too.

Nightdreamer: Totally Awesome. Is the haxiest place to build up your character, with rares or no rares.

24F~26F~29F: You can get random crappy items around this lvls, sometimes they arent crappy at all.

31F~32F~36F~39F: They're awesome too, good rares and normal items too, its basiclly for your second build after reach 40F~.

44F~46F~47F~49F: Totally awesome floors too, they work well for every type of item .

49F-Bosse's Room: Zomg, you made it, Lots of items around here, and high rate to get rare Items :3.


So yeah, See you all next time, if remember what im going to post of course xD.

Uknow~<3.

[~Diego~]

Getting Rares:

Some people says its random, other says that is based on characters, or based on the rate accounts " born with ", or just say that is easier to get them when you are close to the main SmokymonkeyS server.


I think that its based on Characters classes killing rate, like i said before, some characters can kill faster than others.

For Example, the Dagger rare rate could be around 10 to 2000 kills to get one, swordmasters almost the same, maybe 1800 as top, the Axe is the character who gets more rares, since they're slow, and i have experienced them, and i was geting rares after 50~500 kills in almost every floor.

My Axe Aiya was about 7000 kills, and i had lots of rare items, finded them everywhere, while Kane, the swordmaster, was geting them every 300~3000 kills, and my Dagger, Uknow, from 800 Kills to 3500~.

I did calculate my rate, and thats how many kills i needed to get a good rare, buts sometimes its random, wich doesnt happens all the time.

So, the best thing i do for hunting is use the AS equipements, to kill Fast, means geting itesm faster however you see it, it isnt magic, just patience.

So, thats how it works for me, and i get my rares based on my calculations everytime. You just need to kill in the right area, specific place, and you'll get that rare for sure.

[~Diego~]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No Delay Builds. :3 ~~~~~~~~~~~~

I love No Delay characters, when i star a character, i start looking for No Delay items everywhere, there is nothing better than cast your SA everytime you can.

Daggers:

Daggermaster's Double is Amazing, makes you able to atack in every place on the screen.

The double atack hits your normal AD plus 200% of the normal base Atack Damage.

Example:

Lets say the base AD its 28~64, and you cast the SA, that would make a total of 84~192 in total.

Its Random, and depends of how much Dexterity you have too. If you combine that kind of AD with AS 5 and some hav% [ 2% ] you will own every monster in the tower.


Swords:

Swordmaster's Shatter works well, specially because increases your amount of Range by 400%, but there is not to much Dmg increase, just 150%.

But still, the huge amount of range is just fenomenal, almost every good build for No Delay SM's contain High AD and good Hav%, combining that two facts makes you almost able to kill everything depending on your builds.

Example:

AD base 50~100 = 125~250 AD in total.

Pretty Balanced, there are lots of equipements and options to use ^^.


Axe's:

Axemaster's Rage is powerfull, Kinda overpowered ^^; , the only diference is that i doesnt have range, and you need to be close to the monster to cast it [ depending of your range, because it increases range by 150% ], the Axe SA's increases AD by 300% O.o.

Example:

Every good Axemaster has high Dmg when they use No Delay, its around 50~190 Always when you use advanced equipements.

Lets take Cuban's the Axemaster as Example [ its just too awesome t let it go D:, he is deleted by server so already doesnt exists D: ]. He had 89~232 Dmg base with no Delay, wich is Awesome, and a bit Overpowered so:

Base AD 89~232 = 267~696 in total.

With that, you can kill all 49F bosses with 2 or 5 hits depending on the dmg rate you have.

Almost every axe with no Delay contains a good amount of Hav%, so they can easily heal every dmg they suffer.


To get SA to 0 from 30 Sec.'s you need to combine -SAD equipements on your character, for example:

Dagger:

Dagger of Speed x2 [ -10 Sec. ]
Magusform [ -4 Sec. ]
The Mistress x2 [ -10 Sec. ]
Fairy Feller's Master Stroke [ -2 Sec. ]
Undercurrent [ -2 Sec. ]
Crown of the Monkey Kings [ -2 Sec. ]

Sword:

Sightblinder [ -5 Sec. ]
Rush [ -2 Sec. ]
Magusform [ -4 Sec. ]
The Mistress [ -5 Sec. ]
The Mistress [ -5 Sec. ]
Fairy Feller's Master Stroke [ -2 Sec. ]
Undercurrent [ -2 Sec. ]
Crown of the Monkey Kings [ -2 Sec ]
Toad [ -3 Sec. ]

Axe:

Relayer [ -0 Sec., normal weapon combined ]
Songmaster [ -4 Sec. ]
Psychic Warrior x2 [ -12 Sec. ]
Zu mo Aduun [ -2 Sec. ]
Undercurrent [ -2 Sec. ]
Mantle of Belobog [ -5 Sec. ]
Crown of the Monkey Kings [ -2 Sec. ]
Toad [ -3 Sec. ]

Thats an example only, of what items you can combine and stuff.

So, Bai~Laterz <3.

[kaiiak]

I prefer SA no delay character, too.
I play Swordmaster and Daggermaster with SAD=0 both.

I remember a player from Taiwan, he play Axemaster and with powerful SA

This is the equipment list he posted two years before

Head: The Mask Eretica
Hand: Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke
Foot: Dance of Eternity
Ring: Trinity(DR)
Trinity(AS)
Armor: Songmaster
Mantle: Mantle of Zhiva (Def+4 Dex+9 Vit+30)
Weapon: Relayer

choose 1 of 4 ability potion are all vit+15

Dam 56~207 (168~621 Special Attack ,so x3)
AS 23
AR 65 (97)
Def 44
Dex 24
Vit 480
WS 62
Sad No Delay
HAV 1%

he gained THREE Trinity,he is the first player who collected all types of Trinity.
However, he doesn't play anymore, it's a pity.

His gallery:
http://bigbugmkii.spaces.live.com/

This is the picture:
http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pYlUFwl3...Cbn7iDTWC3jcknM

[~Diego~]

Yep.

Kenshiro was soo awesome.
His Axe used to Rule.

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[cloud4twenty]

Can anyone tell me the best places to farm the no delay items? I can't find anything to to bring down my SAD I can access all but 49th floor and 50th floor, if you can help me at all I would appreciate it, thnx.

[~Diego~]

Depends pretty much on your class, but basic No Delay items can be found in places like Underworld, and most of the floors before 30F, 31F is okay to get items like Magusform, Sightblinder, Zu Mo Aduun, Mistress, etc, that should be enough t get you to higher floors and make you able to hunt in them.

Grassland works well for them too, Gloves of Haste or Magusform is easy to get from those maps, Nightdreamer is a pretty nice spot to hunt for those items.

But i'd sugest you to start hunting them around the B1, Mook's Room, there you can get Hauberk, Evilfang, Psychic Warrior, Boots of Concentration, along with other nice No Delay items that will make easier to hunt the others, then get better ones at higher floors like Zu Mo Aduun, Magusform, Dei-Tao-Aduun and stuffs, then you can go for higher stuff like The Mask Eretica, Undercurrent, Fairy Feller's Master Stroke, or even Trinity.

If you tell me your class i could mention some floors where it might be easier to get the items you want or the best ones for your class.

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[cloud4twenty]

Yea Sry about that forgot to disclose that information. I went with Swordmaster for my first char, so I'm working on that right now, I can easily go through all floors till about 41 sine the monsters get harder, I can get to 49 but it takes effort, Thnx for the feed back.

[~Diego~]

If that's case then Mook's Room is a good start, since you can get Psychic Warriors, Boots of Conc., Rush and stuffs there that might be useful, most thing you could have problems with is Sightblinder or Magusform, but they're still sort of easy to find around Grassland and 30F to 35F.

Haste can be found in floors like 24F or 25F ( banana exchange ), even 31F or Grassland ( Orc's part mostly, which is also a good spot for Magusform ).

Grassland is pretty random with drops, you could even get Undercurrent there and many other items that are pretty good, so that and Nightdreamer might be a good spot to kill stuff.

Now i can't really tell you on how much kills you might get those items for a basic No Delay but it should be sort of quick, in the meantime you might be able to do combinations to reach No Delay faster and be able to hunt other items kind of faster.

There's a good list of items with -SAD that you might want to explore, and combine by yourself, so:

http://triglav-items.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/triglav.cgi

Have fun.

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[cloud4twenty]

Thanks for the reply, that was way quick. alright well I'll look into that and start workin on mooks room and the orc part in grasslands, I spent too much time on 30 - 35 already so kinda burnt out on those for now, but thnx a lot for the response.

[cloud4twenty]

One more thing I was wondering, Is there an easier way to get into mooks room, or do I have to light up all the panels every, time?

[~Diego~]

Just try to not step on the star that's in the middle of the room, that way it won't close, 1 or 2 cm from the star should do.

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[cloud4twenty]

Thanks again for the tips, helped out a lot, I already got 2 of the psychic warrior rings and I am still huntin mooks room for the rush and so on, but it goes way faster now that I know not to touch the star thanks again.

[~Diego~]

No problem lol.